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[00:00:31] from the high desert and the great American Southwest I've did you all good
[00:00:36] evening good morning good afternoon whatever the case is wherever you are on world this is midnight in the desert I'm
[00:00:44] art bell welcome to the program this program is free to all we appreciate
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[00:01:43] called people who love art they'll and I want to thank them MJ stem it seems I never mentioned them
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[00:02:17] internet that gets me on the air and Peter ever heard of course my sales guy
[00:02:23] up way up north in Alaska I think that's
[00:02:28] it alright I've got a few things that I want to say one it looks like they found
[00:02:34] it 370 a US official says air safety investigators have a this is in quotes
[00:02:41] high degree of confidence that a photo of aircraft debris found in
[00:02:46] the Indian Ocean near Reunion as a matter of fact or on Reunion washed up
[00:02:52] is of a wing component unique to the Boeing triple7 I think Boeing is sure
[00:03:01] though they haven't you know identified the numbers yet and I think this is 370
[00:03:08] so everybody can stop scouring diego garcia and i think probably what they're
[00:03:14] doing is they're trying to figure out the proper protocol to notify relatives
[00:03:20] and of course they do have to read the number so we'll see but it looks like they have found it um this goes to last
[00:03:31] night's show and i want to read it because i really think it does go to last night's show back in 2001 as part
[00:03:37] of steven Greer's disclosure project you know stephen wright sergeant first class Clifford stone blew the whistle on what
[00:03:44] he referred to as unacknowledged special access groups or you saps within the US
[00:03:51] government programs like this are commonly referred to as black projects or deep black programs and they are of
[00:04:00] an extremely covert and secretive nature of course unacknowledged special access programs are said to be highly
[00:04:06] compartmentalized something I mentioned the other night right and even with
[00:04:12] those the necessary security clearances can only access the information on a need-to-know basis and you only need to
[00:04:18] know so much they're hidden from public oversight and accounting no in other
[00:04:26] words no watchdog committee watches over them and they probably consume for
[00:04:34] example in 2013 Tom Edward Snowden leaked secret
[00:04:39] government documentation that proved a they do exist and B we spend about fifty
[00:04:46] two point six billion dollars toward those operations in 2013 so that all
[00:04:54] goes back to last night fifty two point six billion dollars how
[00:05:00] many doctors appointments would that be and now something by the way coming up
[00:05:07] of course we have a guest tonight eventually we will be getting to him Preston Dennett is my guest and this may
[00:05:14] interest him it interested me he talks about ghosts and this comes from
[00:05:20] anomalous calm a lot of good things do there is something notable about males and violence in real life right how many
[00:05:28] times does somebody walk in somewhere and start shooting usually it's a guy but there is something notable about
[00:05:34] them after life there's a study conducted by somebody named Eldon or
[00:05:43] Hardison I believe it is a psychologist at the University of Iceland of all
[00:05:49] places of 337 cases of people who have reported encounters with the dead what a
[00:05:58] survey the apparitions were mostly males and were the cause and it's where the
[00:06:05] cause of death was known and in 30 percent of the cases the person had died violently that may not sound very
[00:06:12] significant it's 30 percent right but the percentage of violent deaths in the
[00:06:18] study during the relevant time period Studies of reincarnation cases most notably by the Lady Anne Stevenson show
[00:06:25] the same pattern of mostly males being involved again and again and again
[00:06:33] so I guess mean in this life mean in
[00:06:38] that life and then there's no way I can let Cecil go without comment Cecil the
[00:06:44] lion it's got to be the status dog on
[00:06:52] story I've ever seen Cecil was killed by a dentist I guess you know that now right this was a lion in a Preserve in
[00:07:00] Africa in a Preserve and it is said that it was lured out of the preserve
[00:07:08] so this dentist could from what I heard she bows and arrows shoot arrows at it
[00:07:17] and then I guess was up to like 40 hours before poor Cecil loved by many and
[00:07:25] tagged by the way died it took him a
[00:07:32] long time to die so this guy could have
[00:07:39] his people lower amount and shoot him and the public is really ticked off I
[00:07:48] mean really ticked off now this doctor has sort of just disappeared I don't
[00:07:53] blame him everybody's after him he's much hated but it's just really a sad
[00:08:01] story if you could see this this lion my goodness if anything will bring you
[00:08:08] close to crying that's it I have cats as you know recently lost my Yeti oh god that was sorry but so
[00:08:16] cecil's nothing but a big cat really big cat was a really big cat killed that Dennis shot him so that's a big deal and
[00:08:24] then there's one final item and then we'll break and that is I discussed this
[00:08:33] the other day I brought it up it's the cube I don't know why I'm stuck on the cube but I'm stuck on the cube and I
[00:08:41] asked Keith to bring it to the top of the website which he did but then he
[00:08:47] thought I was done with it and I was just gonna discard the cube like it was nothing and so he eliminated it from the
[00:08:54] website and I called him today as at Keith's where's the cube I thought you were done with it no I'm far from done
[00:09:02] with the cube and I'm gonna discuss this with our guest coming up no I'm not done
[00:09:09] with the cube I would like you all to go there and look at it if you get a chance these are still photographs take it I
[00:09:17] might add by many people that's really important taken by many people so please go take a look at it
[00:09:26] and I think this is something serious maybe I'm wrong maybe I'm fooled
[00:09:32] maybe I am a fool but it's being discarded by much of the UFO community
[00:09:38] why because well it's a cube and I think
[00:09:45] that is a tragic serious mistake on the part of ufology no maybe it's some cube
[00:09:55] balloon or something I don't know but it's really odd it doesn't belong
[00:10:01] it certainly doesn't belong popping out of a cloud here's my thinking who are we
[00:10:11] to say that a UFO has got to look like a
[00:10:17] flying saucer I mean isn't it just silly to say that for all we know
[00:10:22] UFOs are invisible or UFOs are cubes or
[00:10:28] something else that doesn't make sense I think this cube is extremely
[00:10:33] mysterious real because many people got photographs in different from different locations and it started me thinking
[00:10:42] well ufology seems to be sort of dismissing this and I think it's because it's not a saucer how could we possibly
[00:10:52] know how they think how could we even
[00:10:57] guess what they might build isn't that rather and what's right word egotistical
[00:11:05] of us or earth-centered of us or human-centered of of us to be doing I I
[00:11:12] think there's something really there and because it doesn't look like what we imagined doesn't mean it isn't worth our
[00:11:20] attention go to our Appel calm you'll see it at the top and you can hear the
[00:11:26] comments of the people all right coming up Preston Dennett began investigating
[00:11:33] UFOs and Perrin normal tonight we're not gonna concentrate so much on UFOs well little cute talk at the beginning and then out
[00:11:40] of body and maybe some ghosts anyway he started all this back in 86 when he
[00:11:46] discovered that his family friends co-workers were having dramatic and unexplained encounters since then he's
[00:11:54] interviewed hundreds of witnesses investigated a wide variety of paranormal phenomena he is a field
[00:12:00] investigator for the MUFON UFO network a ghost hunter a paranormal researcher the
[00:12:08] author of 17 books and a hundred articles Wow been all over the place radio shows TV
[00:12:16] shows History Channel's deep sea UFOs and UFO Hunters his research has been on
[00:12:23] presented for example by the LA Times LA Daily News Dallas Morning News you get
[00:12:28] the idea all over the place he's thought classes on paranormal subjects and
[00:12:35] lectures across the u.s. he currently lives in Reseda California and he'll
[00:12:41] tell you all about his website he will be here in a few moments
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[00:13:37] it's denial one nine five two two two five fifty to seventy eight that's one nine five to call art sarah go take a
[00:13:45] look at the cube actually two separate people who haven't capture good shots of
[00:13:53] the cube coming out of the cloud or whatever it is it's doing and I'm telling you if it's weird
[00:14:00] alright on now to our press in Dennett we're gonna talk about a lot of things out-of-body mainly I think but we're
[00:14:06] going to start we're gonna start with the cube hey president I art I'm doing
[00:14:13] I'm doing really well you are in Reseda California right that's right okay
[00:14:19] I called you before the show and I said look at the cube and I take it you did I
[00:14:25] looked at the cube okay now it doesn't look like a UFO and what well in the
[00:14:31] strictest sense I guess it does it's unidentified and it appears to be flying other than that though it doesn't match
[00:14:37] up with the you know what most people think it ought to look like but it's weird we're really weird right right no it's
[00:14:44] not silver or metallic it's not saucer shaped it's not D shaped it's not no spherical right no these are the common
[00:14:51] ones that you know I think we hear a lot of yes yes but you know they might not
[00:14:56] think like us huh well how could they possibly I mean by definition they are
[00:15:01] alien and this is one of the things that's really I think kind of frustrating and same time interesting
[00:15:06] about you know investigating UFOs is the variety of these craft yes we do get a
[00:15:12] lot of saucer shapes but you know I don't think there's a shape healthcare that you know we haven't heard about whether it's you know crosses or
[00:15:18] doughnut shapes or Crescent shapes or I mean it just goes on I had one guy tell
[00:15:24] me you know I don't know how to describe the shape it was wasn't dock tog octagonal it all these different you
[00:15:30] know sides that were you know different lengths was very oddly shaped like a lump it's all kind of described it we
[00:15:36] seem to want it to be a saucer you know yeah tell us was our nice shapes ain't
[00:15:42] very convenient but uh certainly that's not the only thing people are seeing I think that that came from the early
[00:15:49] movies science fiction movies that we had because they they were all saucers
[00:15:54] right since Kenneth Arnold you know he didn't actually see saucers and apparently the Roswell craft wasn't you know
[00:16:01] technically a saucer there you go right you're absolutely right okay well anyway
[00:16:06] I really wanted to call attention to that I want people to look at it it is to me as much if not more of a mystery
[00:16:13] than no stuff that's like a saucer yeah you know what you know what I like about
[00:16:19] the photograph actually is you can see this thing before it's fully formed oh yes as if it's you know interdimensional
[00:16:26] coming into our yes/no physical space that's the other thing I mean who says their method of
[00:16:31] propulsion is remotely like anything we even imagined it might have just materialized there right but you can see
[00:16:38] it interacting with the cloud you know yes clearly looks like an a very large object you know quite a distance from
[00:16:44] the cameras yeah be hard to fake for sure no it would and I don't think it was a fake I mean when people get it
[00:16:50] from different angles I suppose it could be a fake craft as it were but it's not
[00:16:57] a fake photograph that's for sure well I listened to the interview and you can tell the witnesses are obviously sincere
[00:17:02] yes you know and with multiple witnesses hold up right off the bat there you've got a good case but it didn't go nuts
[00:17:08] like most things like that would and I'm convinced the reason it didn't go nuts even though it was covered is because it
[00:17:15] didn't look right the monolith did scare
[00:17:21] people a little bit exactly exactly right um oh I'm getting a little notice
[00:17:27] of internet connection problem from you but I don't hear it you sound great um
[00:17:33] yeah I can hear you fine no well so much for you Skype alright let's go let's
[00:17:41] move to OBEs and and I really really love the subject of OBEs president I
[00:17:47] only had one in my whole life it happened when
[00:17:52] Ramona and I went to Paris France and it was amazing
[00:17:58] Preston I had been asleep I I woke up
[00:18:05] and it was like somebody snapped a switch and this is the only way I can
[00:18:12] describe it I was in the most joyous welcoming amazing place I had ever been
[00:18:21] it was absolute pure joy but it scared the heck out of me and I snapped right
[00:18:30] out of it I was somewhere else I mean instantaneously I was somewhere
[00:18:36] else an amazing place of some kind but boy did it shock me Preston I I didn't
[00:18:41] do any tours I didn't get to go to some other place on the earth as people have
[00:18:46] been described to do with OBEs but it was incredible you know there aren't
[00:18:53] words so there really aren't I know what you're talking about but we're on a
[00:18:58] radio show so we're gonna have to find words so what is an out-of-body
[00:19:05] experience well you know the simple definition is not about experiences when
[00:19:10] you perceive yourself as being separate from your body and to elaborate that on that a little bit we all have a dream
[00:19:18] body or an astral body if you will which is separate from the physical and in
[00:19:23] fact we're kind of projecting down here from the so called other side into a
[00:19:29] physical body so an out-of-body experience is sort of the reverse of that they call it projection but in fact
[00:19:34] we're going towards you know our source and that we not only have we're going
[00:19:40] toward our stores right we not only have a physical body and an astral body as we
[00:19:46] get into this it gets a little bit more complicated than that we have it wait wait what is the source um where we come
[00:19:52] from you know God all that is the spirit which moves through all things on the universe you know the light it goes by
[00:20:00] many different names in different cultures but it's pretty clear you start doing this stuff that there's
[00:20:07] something up there okay I'm gonna give you a gift that will keep on giving okay
[00:20:12] I'm ready you mentioned the light right right mm-hmm um John Lear is a friend of mine you
[00:20:21] know the name I'm sure right oh absolutely okay Learjet Fame daddy anyway I did a
[00:20:28] very serious interview with John Lear one in which he said the most important
[00:20:33] thing I'm never going to tell you art or something along those lines is as follows when you die you will have a
[00:20:39] choice of going to the light or the darkness don't go to the light it's a
[00:20:45] trick and I'll leave you with that Preston for you to think about that the
[00:20:52] rest of your life but ever since I'm not
[00:20:58] been in the light you know I've gone out of my body I've done all of this uh-huh so you're here to say the light is the
[00:21:06] way on it's part of the universe there's a source of error there's something
[00:21:11] really wonderful within you know the so called light that near-death experiencers are reporting absolutely so
[00:21:18] are you sure enough of the goodness of the light to say John's all wet go to
[00:21:24] the light go towards the light yeah I think that you're gonna be fine you know
[00:21:32] I would say when you're at that point you know make the decision then
[00:21:39] uncomfortable with see this this egg turn away driven me nuts ever since I mean you make the wrong choice and
[00:21:46] there's no going back well here's the problem this is a big problem on the other side you know people who don't go
[00:21:51] towards light who are stuck here on the physical plane as ghosts now a lot of these people don't even know they're
[00:21:57] dead and this actually turns up pretty much every out-of-body book I've ever
[00:22:02] read alright alright did you hear what I read at the beginning of the program about the study and Iceland of the
[00:22:08] people who died violently yes yes I heard it oh my god yeah so it's it's
[00:22:16] real in other words I've said jokingly few times you know nasty on this side nasty on that side you think some truth
[00:22:24] to that oh yeah the there's kind of levels of vibration and if you are vibrating you
[00:22:29] know it with low-level emotions like lust or anger or greed or all of this
[00:22:35] kind of stuff violence you're not gonna be able to move up to the you know the higher realms where it vibrates much
[00:22:41] faster it's much more beautiful you have many more what I would call I guess
[00:22:47] supernatural powers mmm this sort of thing I've had a love love sting oh yeah
[00:22:55] you know this is something that the astral body is actually called the desire body there's something you'll
[00:23:01] find out pretty quick if you start doing this sort of stuff regularly because
[00:23:06] this is where all your emotions come from and your suppressions and anything
[00:23:12] you've really not dealt with and when you pop out of body this is not at all unusual people have become absolutely
[00:23:19] terrified yeah oh I get that or completely joyous welcome consumed
[00:23:25] with lust or you know the desire to eat food it seems to me if you pop out of your
[00:23:32] body and then get consumed with lust you're in real trouble because you need that body well you know it's very much
[00:23:40] like having an erotic dream you might say oh they are awake I get it sure um so it's actually a
[00:23:47] really wonderful experience because you can have live out pretty much any fantasy you want you can create feasts of food you can do just about anything
[00:23:54] that you can think of the power of thought on the other side is amazing you
[00:24:00] just think it and you can it has a huge the way you're talking about it leaves
[00:24:05] not much question in anybody's mind you've been there you know I absolutely believe I have you know I
[00:24:12] really do I think that we actually all have Auto Body experiences but the trick is really remembering them and I'm not
[00:24:18] alone with this this is what other out-of-body traveller says well really oh yeah gee I can't forget mine it was
[00:24:26] it was so profound that I can't forget it there are various tricks on there too
[00:24:32] getting out of your body let's let's go there I have heard it said that for
[00:24:40] example feeling paralyzed and hearing a
[00:24:47] buzzing sound is very frequently something that precedes a possible OBE
[00:24:54] is it true right that's called the vibratory state and your that means you're ready you're actually feeling the
[00:25:00] higher vibration of the next dimension which is what that is so you're ready to go it's basically
[00:25:08] just a process of relaxing to you get to that plant okay I've been there I can't
[00:25:13] get past it it's too scary yeah this is
[00:25:18] a there's a huge fear barrier which you have to get over and just do it the
[00:25:23] thing to remember is you can't be hurt when you're out-of-body it's a non physical state no I know this is what
[00:25:31] everybody who talks about OBEs says you can't be hurt but I don't know let me
[00:25:38] ask you this when when you're out of body is that I hate to use this word but
[00:25:44] I'm gonna is that your soul that is separating from your body in your opinion um you know I don't know it's
[00:25:52] quite like that rather than it's just sort of an awakening to what's already there or kind of reaching out to the larger
[00:25:59] parts of yourself just certain extent it feels like that I mean it feels like you are no longer in your body
[00:26:05] um if you get good at this though you can get to a point where you can do what's called bilocation and I've had of
[00:26:12] just a few tiny tastes of that do you think we have souls oh yeah well then when you leave your
[00:26:18] body would it be your guess that it is probably your soul that's a leavin I we
[00:26:27] have to be leavin right now we'll be right back in a few minutes so relax enjoy yourself that sounds pretty good
[00:26:35] and we're talking about an oasis for the soul perhaps with Preston denna right now
[00:26:41] we're talking about out-of-body experiences trust and welcome back hello
[00:26:47] hello okay so I was talking about or asking about the soul whether you
[00:26:53] thought the soul left the body when you leave the body right well some people do
[00:27:00] call it soul travel um you know I I really don't know who I'm kind of just
[00:27:06] telling you what I experienced another favorite um so I can't really say that
[00:27:11] I'm that this is my soul but I do feel like there's a you have a separate body
[00:27:17] a dream body which has actually these amazing abilities such as flying flying
[00:27:23] alone is worth the price of admission for doing this thing oh yes Oh flying I'm so into flying and and you know just
[00:27:32] sort of floating and flying around the buildings and the lakes and the trees in the forest we all kind of want to do
[00:27:38] that and how cool it must be and you you're claiming you have done it right
[00:27:44] walk through walls visit distant locations I think a lot of people had flying dreams and this is a
[00:27:51] real close indicator that you're you know close to remembering what's going on at night we're all having these
[00:27:56] experiences on each night how do you know whether you're ready to walk through a wall um well you try it you
[00:28:03] know it's a little disconcerting boom
[00:28:10] took over a year to keep my eyes open I wouldn't fly through telephone wires
[00:28:17] for a really long time just cuz I was a little bit nervous about it so you really you you swear on a stack of
[00:28:24] somethings that you've walked through walls absolutely it's a remarkable experience
[00:28:29] you can actually feel it that is so cool and what brick is like a different texture from a wood whoa oh wait
[00:28:36] describe it you said you can feel it if you walk through a wall never having walked through one tell me what does it
[00:28:43] feel like um well you know it's hard to describe but you can feel the
[00:28:48] surface of the material whether it's rough or smooth I'm like brick is kind of grainy and rocky and you can feel it
[00:28:55] right through your entire body for your arms and legs Wow and which is different
[00:29:01] from wood and smaller thinner substances like glass I know words are hard for
[00:29:07] this let me try this is there any difference in the resistance of wood
[00:29:12] going through a wall and you know walking through a brick wall yeah woods easier glass is easiest you
[00:29:19] really pop out it's like going through a bubble you feel it a little tug you're out oh that's cool
[00:29:26] you know there's been times I've walked into walls and boom hit it I really appreciate your being able to describe
[00:29:31] this it's awesome I've always wondered what it would feel like and you're saying there is a difference and and you
[00:29:38] said with glass it's kind of like a little understand all right but you can
[00:29:44] reach a point you know where you don't actually feel any of this if you're vibrating a really high frequency but
[00:29:49] normally when that person pops out you know they're still pretty low frequency and they're trying to just orient themselves and you try and walk through
[00:29:56] a wall you might bounce off of it which has happened to me many times you know it took me a little bit to learn how to do it well see that's what I'm worried
[00:30:02] about failure at walking through walls probably has some consequences especially if you're really sure of
[00:30:08] yourself and just call Stratton right up do it boom no there was one time I pop thought about him like yeah I'm doing it
[00:30:14] you know I flew through my bedroom door flew through the hallway door I was into the hallway outside and I flew down the
[00:30:20] staircase of my condo building where I lived at the time yeah and landed into the second landing and sunk right up to
[00:30:27] my knees flailing around I lost I just
[00:30:34] was pulled back into my body see that's part of the really scary part to me it just really is the possibility that you
[00:30:42] might sink into something that's not good you know some of your fears because
[00:30:49] the truth is what I found is it's very beneficial and that the dangers are way
[00:30:54] overstated and I found in fact it's got a lot more benefits than dangers there's
[00:31:00] no real danger of getting locked out of your body or getting possessed or going too
[00:31:05] far away or getting lost or anything like that no cuz pet you have this silver cord which pulls you back in fact
[00:31:13] the problem is staying out that's truly the problem and you get pulled back at the least if you even think about your
[00:31:19] body if you have a you know a lot of fear it will pull you back a lot of emotion of any kind will pull you right
[00:31:24] back into your by I've got to give you this every person I've talked to on OBEs over the years has said roughly the same
[00:31:31] thing so you know that resonates with me I've never had a description of walking through things that was really cool but
[00:31:37] the part about getting yanked back if there's danger or if there's big emotion or something like that
[00:31:43] most have said that that's what causes me just can't buy into all this precedent because everybody's saying the
[00:31:49] same thing oh yeah you know at first you're thinking oh my gosh no is this happening to me this can't be real I must be dreaming
[00:31:55] and you didn't to this sort of quest I mean you know when the beginners always want to start moving objects I tried
[00:32:01] that for years and I still can't do it there's some people claim to be able to do it right not possible I guess I
[00:32:08] haven't been able to do it but you want to what I did was it was able to do is go to a distant location and look at it
[00:32:15] and like wow you know I didn't expect this to look like this was location near my house which I'd never been to yes and
[00:32:22] I'm like alright I'm gonna go there and see if this is actually true because what it was was the cement River which
[00:32:29] is near my house at the time and it had dirt banked up on the sides huge amounts I'm like there's no way this is a
[00:32:35] Symetra there was plants growing and all this stuff I'm like I have to go see this so I got proof that you know this
[00:32:41] is not well the first time I got proof that this is not just a dream cuz it's
[00:32:46] very like pretty disorienting and you're out of your body and you're walking around you feel like a ghost alright so
[00:32:53] here's a question for you if you are out of your body and try to move something is it just your hand that goes right
[00:33:00] through it right or you might think you actually moved it and you know cuz
[00:33:06] there's there's kind of weird duplicate energy forms I guess thought forms
[00:33:12] that you're moving around which do move but it's not the actual physical object so no I've been able to do it and I was
[00:33:19] obsessed with it because I don't know I felt like this ghost walking around you
[00:33:25] know and I thought I was dealing with a lot of emotions dealing with a lot of lost a lot of you know gluttony how I
[00:33:30] would create these feasts and food and all this kind of thing that brings up another topic which I want to ask you
[00:33:36] about you said you felt like a ghost is it possible Preston that some ghost
[00:33:44] reports are people doing OBEs I would be
[00:33:50] surprised if it wasn't the case really I think that there's a few verified cases not nearly as many as I would think
[00:33:56] would be out there but uh almost certainly that has to be the case I
[00:34:01] there are a lot of cases in the literature at least where people have gone over to other people's houses and appeared um which I've tried to do by
[00:34:08] the way and I'm flying around in front of people I'm like Here I am no it's do you see me do you see me serious they don't see me they cannot
[00:34:17] see me but you can see what they're doing right right if not can you hear
[00:34:23] them um well let me think about that I don't think I've been able to do that
[00:34:30] I'd have to you know I don't think so there's didn't know there's been a
[00:34:36] couple of cases yeah I was once you know where to San Diego I have a friend who lives down in San Diego thought you know
[00:34:42] this is a far way to go I'll try that okay you know and this is kind of what you do you have a plan in mind if you
[00:34:49] don't have your agenda ready you're gonna get distracted you're gonna lose consciousness you have to really focus
[00:34:54] the type of consciousness you're saying you can plan this like you would a trip exactly wow you really hesitated when I
[00:35:03] asked you about whether you could hear people that's interesting you would think the auditory aspect of it would
[00:35:09] either be shockingly there or even more shockingly missing um well you know when
[00:35:15] when you go to the other side so to speak yes um it's telepathic
[00:35:21] you do hear music and things like that but when people are talking you're sharing them in your mind okay that
[00:35:27] helps that says it all do you always hear them in your mind or sort of just if you want to usually I'm
[00:35:35] not always know I once popped out this is something I wanted I said I want to meet an enlightened master you know
[00:35:41] someone who's made it right and this beautiful woman appeared on my balcony
[00:35:46] I'm just a beautiful blonde woman she says keep your eyes open and she grabbed my arm and pulled me up of course I
[00:35:53] closed my eyes and I instantly opened them and she's depositing me into this field and there's this guy sitting on a
[00:36:00] chair who I'm presuming is you know the enlightened master okay and he gives out this one weird sense which is what they
[00:36:06] do these kind of cones or poems or something little riddles and it was
[00:36:13] really interesting what he says he says when you do something do it absolutely and he said it out loud
[00:36:20] he's punctuating each word so it was an odd sentence for sure which you know has
[00:36:26] hidden meaning to it which I could talk about sure the whole thing is just so
[00:36:33] astounding to me how many times Preston have you done this I mean is it so many
[00:36:39] you can't count or one well I probably could count it but it's got to be in the
[00:36:44] thousands there unconsciously I think again that's a trick question yeah I
[00:36:49] don't only to be I'm I don't mean it to be I really don't I I'm so curious about
[00:36:55] this and of course people aren't gonna come forward and they're gonna say I want to do this so badly how do I do it
[00:37:03] right well you know for one thing there's no real qualifications all you
[00:37:09] need is the desire and the time to do it you can be open-minded enough to do it mm-hmm you know put in the discipline I
[00:37:15] don't think there's any link to physical health because some people are really good at this have ill health and others
[00:37:21] are very healthy as you know there's no real dangers as I was talking about it
[00:37:27] or earlier and the only real obstacles I think are that people are skeptical about it or they're scared
[00:37:35] okay all right all right they're lazy I'm gonna pin you to the wall here you know you said there's no real danger and
[00:37:41] I've had other people say that to me too so here's the question that I need an
[00:37:46] answer to how do you know that some people who have left their body on this
[00:37:52] excursion into joy Ville wherever it is you're going didn't have the cord snap
[00:38:00] and we now regard those people who left
[00:38:06] us in such a way as having died in their sleep I mean right I can I can definitely
[00:38:12] speak to that there's one case you know supposedly or something like that presumably did happen um but uh you know
[00:38:19] it was only one it's kind of what I would call an outlier and one person did tell me that they had a similar
[00:38:25] experience and of mine says it only takes one white crow to prove there's white crows it's these are statistically
[00:38:32] insignificant
[00:38:39] there are just very small residue flying is Shafer I know and yeah and anyone can
[00:38:46] do it that's absolutely easy to do right let's go back to this one that you know of this outlier you called it right you
[00:38:55] know I um all I can tell you about the case is supposedly this lady was
[00:39:00] proficient at doing out about experiences and one day died at a young
[00:39:05] age and there was no real link that they could make you know specifically that
[00:39:11] she was out of body practicing at the time she was doing it but uh it's one case we have of you know people who are
[00:39:17] really good at this and are doing it regularly and they've time at a young
[00:39:22] age mysteriously most of the people experience actually the opposite I've got 20 cases are now
[00:39:29] I'm worried of people have got healed of chronic illness or healed of cancer or
[00:39:35] healed of all kinds of illnesses colds
[00:39:41] out of their bodies absolutely you know there's these energies on the other side
[00:39:47] this is where your body is astral bodies the superior body it doesn't age and your visible body is
[00:39:53] kind of modeled after it so you can actually reach these healing places and
[00:40:00] heal yourself of physical illness now she has making quite a claim yeah I've
[00:40:08] got 20 cases you know there are anecdotal but a really good one is Bruce
[00:40:13] Mon um he cured himself of sarcoidosis which you know his case was a really bad
[00:40:19] one and it's often fatal and he was getting worse and worse and was able to go out of body and work on this wound
[00:40:27] better than Obamacare huh well I recently you know tried to go to one of these healing temples and was successful
[00:40:33] I couldn't believe it I was sewing there are Kimball's on the other side where you can go to be
[00:40:40] healed right I've read about him several times you know people have you know you hear different kind of explanations and
[00:40:46] descriptions I would say and I'm like well this is something I want to do you know I'm gonna put this on my list and I
[00:40:52] did it I popped out of body and I you know made the command sort of made the intent known and at that point you're
[00:40:59] pulled off through the other side or up into the sky where I was fifty feet up above my house and then boom you go
[00:41:07] through this weird barrier I guess you would call it and you're on the other side Wow and it's what I would call the heavenly
[00:41:14] realms you know honestly I'm not a very religious man but uh this is what it
[00:41:19] feels like I mean I'm not overly religious either question so I'm with you there I have hopes but I I have no
[00:41:29] strong faith and I wish I did I wish I did and and it
[00:41:36] might well be that seeing what you're describing would absolutely do the trick
[00:41:41] for me bring me to the healing temple hey I've got a bad back exactly what
[00:41:47] what you do anyone can do this he's just meditated on this subject as you go to sleep you there's various ways of
[00:41:55] reaching the other side and you don't have to go through all the weird exit sensations and things like this
[00:42:00] I'm say about half of the out-of-body experiences I have I just wake up on the
[00:42:05] other side and know you're fully awake by the way colors are much more vivid it's the real reality this is a pale
[00:42:13] comparison if I can just get past the fear I mean it really is scary Preston
[00:42:20] because you do go through that thing where there's a humming sound and you
[00:42:26] may go through getting feeling paralyzed these are frightening things to happen
[00:42:33] to a person before you get to something better they really are scary oh yeah it very
[00:42:39] loud it can feel like an electric shock and still you're standing next to a jet engine that will see that's what I mean
[00:42:45] but you know that's as bad as the kids and then pop you're out and boy is it worth it and there's just so many things
[00:42:52] you can do you can learn about your past lives for instance you can visit those
[00:42:58] loved ones and so I don't slow up slow up past lives past lives my goodness
[00:43:05] Preston so you believe in reincarnation well you know I think I'm leaning
[00:43:12] towards it for sure because uh I have some weird memories flown through my head which I can't pinpoint to this life
[00:43:19] and this has kind of always been that way for me but really when I started going out of body I'm like alright let's
[00:43:25] see a past life and you did I was able to do it several times may I inquire
[00:43:34] what you learned of yourself um I learned that a lot of them one life was
[00:43:40] you know as a Native American it's really interesting because often you're taken to the most traumatic or emotional
[00:43:47] incident of a lifetime which is often the death scene this was one where it wasn't it was sort of the what would
[00:43:54] what would you call it come of awakening where a 17 year old turns into a man type of ceremony I would definitely not
[00:44:01] want to go to my death scene yeah it's scary let me tell you I pulled out from
[00:44:06] a couple of them I'm like no no I'm not doing this but uh you know this is
[00:44:12] something you learn a lot about yourself learned a lot about you know my obsessions with ships for instance
[00:44:19] yeah I've had a lot of lifetime's where I was on you know an eighth in the Navy or sailing or app I heard even Wow a lot
[00:44:27] of life times where I was a monk which I found kind of interesting because I'm really not religious but kind of really
[00:44:33] into the same sort of thing if you think about it you know you're like a travel agent for the other side oh it's amazing
[00:44:39] I can't ask people enough to just try this you know if you still have fear there's a really good way doing it is
[00:44:47] you think of someone you love who's already on the other side some and you can create a love bridge and pretty much
[00:44:54] everyone has at least one person they know who's you know passed away and what you do is you just concentrate on that
[00:45:00] person that night and say you know I want to see you I want you to take me on a toward the other side I want to see
[00:45:06] how it's going let's connect and it will happen if you
[00:45:11] you know you might take a couple of meditations but often it'll happen on the first night if you're really into it
[00:45:18] well I know a lot of people who have medical problems take off to Bangkok in
[00:45:23] Thailand get them taken care of come home with extra money that's one kind of
[00:45:28] travel for your health and you're talking about an entirely different one which is just so much harder for me I
[00:45:36] can never get past that buzz just never get past al this is of course midnight
[00:45:44] in the desert I'm aren't Dell [Music]
[00:46:24] [Applause] [Music]
[00:46:33] don't [Music]
[00:46:46] they won't get too far
[00:46:51] so if your love and we done
[00:47:01] [Music]
[00:47:07] let the speed of light in the darkness this is midnight in the desert with art
[00:47:12] bell now here's art Here I am trust in Dennett is my guest I'm so glad to have
[00:47:18] them or discussing out-of-body experiences Oh bees there I interviewed
[00:47:26] over the years many many people about this topic and the Preston with some
[00:47:33] exceptions is telling me exactly what they've told me I believe that this is
[00:47:38] the real thing you really can do it folks I know it's scary and I'm trying
[00:47:44] to talk you into something that I'm scared to death of myself so that's probably uncool but it really is the
[00:47:53] real thing you just have to be able to get past this buzzing get past this
[00:48:00] perhaps being paralyzed a little bit and somehow launch yourself and I guess it's
[00:48:06] like Preston like a learning experience once you've been out second time is easier third time easier that kind of
[00:48:13] thing yeah that's true though there are still times you know I'll be like lying
[00:48:18] down I'll just go to bed and suddenly I'm feel the vibrations I'm like whoa I'm still awake I do understand let's
[00:48:31] just one last time go back to the dangers which there are no dangers except for that outlier which is
[00:48:38] worrying me a little so generally any
[00:48:43] strong emotion any fear fears a strong emotion any I don't know anything will
[00:48:50] yank you back into your body and you will be awake awake immediately is that correct right and you know that again
[00:48:57] the problem is staying out you know it's not that there aren't any dangerous you can pop out and like up there's hostile
[00:49:03] ghosts oh now see now what did you tell me that ghosts okay well you know you
[00:49:14] know a couple of times but uh I just ran back to my body basically and that happens automatically obstruct
[00:49:20] oh no I'm going back you know yeah it was scary definitely was describe that
[00:49:27] one if you would please hostile ghosts are you pop well I'm sorry I need to get
[00:49:34] aurilla I've got so many questions in my brain and and one is this it seems to me that the the time this occurs is in that
[00:49:42] I don't know weird little time between consciousness and sleep there's this
[00:49:49] little weird gray area right well that's the doorway to the you know getting out
[00:49:55] of body during this sort of yeah hypnagogic state right which is where
[00:50:00] the magic is you know that's where it happens the crack between the worlds so boy it's such a weird time isn't it
[00:50:06] between when you're awakened when you're asleep and I can tell when it's coming because I start having weird thoughts
[00:50:12] really just off-the-wall weird thoughts about weird things and then and then I'm
[00:50:18] asleep right I've tracked it very carefully something your reasoning goes right out the window
[00:50:23] oh yeah and you're just imagining things when you're thinking they're real and you're and it becomes very kind of
[00:50:29] almost chaotic so there's no dangers except of course dying because you
[00:50:35] didn't get snapback and or manifesting before hostile ghosts right well there
[00:50:43] was time I would say I popped out of body I'm like all right I'm gonna go and I'm gonna be totally honest with you
[00:50:48] we're not usually when I go to the other side it sort of happens automatically well I do it by just flying real fast
[00:50:54] and saying this is where I want to go right and you pop out in these beautiful heavenly realms more sometimes farther
[00:51:01] worth's even more amazing but sometimes you know you are kind of in-between and
[00:51:06] there's what you call a darker place yeah sort of a blackness or the lower realms and I've visited these as well to
[00:51:14] a certain extent have you ever have you ever intentionally gone to those darker place
[00:51:20] yeah and it was not nice you know people were pushing and shoving and they you try and pull them out of this place and
[00:51:27] they can't hear you and it's very uncomfortable to say the least but once
[00:51:35] I was flying out you know I'm knocked out some weird little creature grabbed my ankle oh well this does not feel
[00:51:40] human you know let me tell you something you have just scared away 70% 80% of the
[00:51:48] people who were in your camp ready to try it women don't like to think about hostile
[00:51:54] things grabbing their ankles they don't like it at all I can tell you I know how it sounds and it did creeping out a
[00:52:01] little bit I reached down and I felt its little fingers oh and I killed them off
[00:52:08] but so in other words you can even though you can't move objects out of body you can move other no dare I say it
[00:52:17] other out-of-body entities yes it feels real in fact well there's not an
[00:52:23] experience on earth that you can't duplicate and it feels it's not real even more real so yeah you can interact
[00:52:31] with it's not the physical environment an environment that's exactly like it and I mean really Preston what what is
[00:52:38] one of the scariest things you ever see in a movie it's some lady standing there
[00:52:43] with this evil probably detached hand headed toward her ankle it and everybody
[00:52:50] screams so that's a rough one to get past yeah well you know there I'm
[00:52:58] telling you the benefits of this are so much better yeah but as a travel agent you might as well pulled your shingle
[00:53:05] off your door talking about ankles oh yeah yeah okay all right there was three
[00:53:19] men there who were clearly hostile and wanted to hurt me not the three wise men
[00:53:24] no these were not wise men these were murderers these were thieves these were
[00:53:30] an worse I mean lovely or vile lovely lovely I'm like all right you know I'm
[00:53:37] leaving probably all three of them products of having died violently and
[00:53:42] cut that was an interesting story wasn't it of all places in peace fund it certainly
[00:53:49] touched a nerve you know because there's as I said a lot of ghost problems out there in fact as a person does this
[00:53:55] astral travel at some point you're gonna be called on to save a lost soul okay
[00:54:00] that hasn't happened to me and I so I did it I did it intentionally and yeah
[00:54:06] it was amazing I found this lost I was taken actually to this girl but
[00:54:12] apparently suffocated under her house I had the impression that she was murdered
[00:54:18] but I couldn't say how or but she was scared I'm just terrified and I'm like
[00:54:25] you know it's okay it's okay come with me and she wouldn't I'm like you know your mommy wants to see you right now so
[00:54:30] that's sort of you know got her she she's like yeah really and I'm like yeah you know let's I'll take you to your
[00:54:36] mommy and I'm just you know winging it cuz I didn't know what to say she was the poor little girl I felt
[00:54:41] terrible that's what every bad guy going after a poor little girl says I'm gonna take you to your mommy
[00:54:46] yeah well somehow I was able to convince her and the poor thing she took my hand I could feel it and I've read a lot
[00:54:53] about this that is Wow at some point they disappear and you want to pay very close attention so I had her hand and I
[00:54:59] was looking at her she's just a little girl with blond hair you know a little sundress yeah little girl you know and
[00:55:06] I'm like let's go see your mommy and I flew off to what I would call the heavenly realms and boom you know no
[00:55:12] sooner and what I was I kind of right through that barrier and into this pastoral place where she was gone I've
[00:55:18] seen you you had me during the first hour you had me cold I was ready to try
[00:55:24] it again and now you've lost me lost oral place where she was gone I've seen you you had
[00:55:30] me during the first hour you had me cold I was ready to try it again and now
[00:55:36] you've lost me what do you think welcome
[00:55:43] back to Oh bees in a second what do you think causes people to become stuck here
[00:55:50] ghosts I think there's a huge number of reasons
[00:55:55] and the number one being they're skeptical of life after death to such a point that they don't even consider the
[00:56:01] possibility that they're dead that's a huge problem that the dead just don't
[00:56:07] know they're dead they don't know it they honestly do not you know it seems hard for me to believe but this is a
[00:56:14] real problem and as well you know there's that whole category of people who are addicted to whether it's alcohol
[00:56:20] drugs or sex or you know even their home right um they don't want to leave their
[00:56:25] house because they love it they know they're dead and they don't care another reason is guilt if people feel
[00:56:31] so guilty if they're afraid that they're gonna be judged by God if they go to the other side well I have heard that that
[00:56:38] people do get attached to houses that ghosts get attached to houses and I'll
[00:56:44] be honest I'm attached to my house yeah I love my little house I mean it is part
[00:56:51] of a human's comfort level right in life your house is your castle whatever you
[00:56:56] want to call it your comfort place but here's the thing art you have one on the other side you can create one is what
[00:57:03] I'm saying um and it's awesome because you can build things any way you want just your
[00:57:09] thought power you know once you get good at this and you go up what I would say you know to the next dimension beyond or
[00:57:16] a dimensions beyond the pastoral realms which is you know it gets really crazy I
[00:57:23] hope in the higher realms because you can do all these things that are like superhuman you know I I wanted to talk
[00:57:30] to you about this tonight because well because I wanted to talk about it but I had no idea that you were this into it
[00:57:37] this experienced with it how long have you been doing this president did you begin young or what I began pretty young
[00:57:44] actually you know and this is not my favorite subject by the way I love this stuff it is transforming my life to such
[00:57:51] a degree that I yeah I can hear it in your voice you know it's so much fun so
[00:57:58] though you were doing this well my mom died in 1984 I was 19 years old and so
[00:58:06] it was a real shock I think our family was very sick up call this kind of thing I know they were I'm certainly I was I'm didn't believe
[00:58:13] in ghosts or life after death or anything paranormal and so this was a really difficult thing to deal with
[00:58:20] obviously sure um I saw her ghost thinking all right you know I'm really
[00:58:25] flipped my lid I'm not gonna tell anyone this I'll tell you that um right like I
[00:58:32] I get that - if you were to describe all this I think in everyday life I mean you
[00:58:37] and I are on a program right now that talks about this kind of thing but you
[00:58:42] know if this was unraveling to a stranger in a bar it'd be a problem
[00:58:47] right probably not work out real well for you know I wasn't happy about it but
[00:58:52] I know I start having dreams about her um that were very powerful and I just had I was convinced she was visiting me
[00:58:59] even my knew was impossible so it's very confusing I picked up some books on dreams which led to lucid dreaming okay
[00:59:06] you see that but that causes me to ask a very important question how do you know
[00:59:13] Preston that these are not just either really good or in some cases really bad
[00:59:19] dreams well there's two ways the first way is when you pop out and you turn and
[00:59:25] you look at your body you know you can feel it it's a kind of revelatory
[00:59:32] experience I guess you might say but I'll agree with that if you look at your own body if you pop out and you look at
[00:59:38] your own body that's big no question about it that doesn't seem like a dream
[00:59:43] I don't think I've ever seen my own body in a dream I know I haven't it looks
[00:59:49] really weird when you do it I have to tell you and you know and it's very
[00:59:55] convincing absolutely you know unlike I mean it's very you're awake that's I
[01:00:02] guess what I'm trying to say it's you know how when you know you're awake you know you're awake yeah sure um it's like
[01:00:08] that so you're like alright there's no doubt yeah yeah actually you are very convincing it's it's the tone of your
[01:00:15] voice and enthusiasm in your voice you just know
[01:00:21] what he's saying is the real thing right [Music] midnight in a desert raging in the
[01:00:28] nighttime art bell I hear the gun to go me tonight cheers
[01:00:38] only whispers of some quiet conversation
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[01:02:14] imagine this for a moment you pop out of your body you pop out on the other side
[01:02:21] and there's the screaming lady and a hundred of fur clones who initiate a dialogue sequence with our tell please
[01:02:28] coordinate your phalanges and call one nine five two two two five fifty to seventy eight that's one nine five two
[01:02:34] we'll call our hahaha the screaming lady all right Trustin Dennett is my guest and we're
[01:02:41] talking about a lot of things we're talking about Oh bees mainly and they
[01:02:47] are amazing absolutely amazing and I'm sure that all of you can also hear it in his voice
[01:02:52] this is real if you've got the guts and if you do after hearing all of thee well
[01:02:59] call it the downside or the possible dangers that actually you know as a point here in the in the interview well
[01:03:09] it does say what are the dangers you you did say there there are no dangers
[01:03:14] earlier right all right you know there well depends what your definition of danger is I don't think there's any
[01:03:20] danger of death or you know like certain things getting that people really fear well okay let's try and define danger a
[01:03:29] danger might be hand grabbing ankle definitely danger might be three
[01:03:36] murderers staring at you as you pop out definite danger a hand grabbing ankle
[01:03:44] definitely danger might be three murderers staring at you as you pop out
[01:03:51] definite danger danger might be the line breaks and you can't get back to your
[01:03:57] body as in somebody died in their sleep I mean I can't get past that one Preston
[01:04:03] a lot of people die in their sleep and how is it that we can know that there are not victims of a snapped cord
[01:04:11] well we can't all I can tell you is that
[01:04:17] the evidence of people who are doing this regularly are showing a lot of benefits and the dangers of you know
[01:04:25] getting possessed or getting locked out or all of this is way overblown I'm not
[01:04:30] seeing it well you know I will give you this it seems to me that that that most
[01:04:39] people have a positive experience I just always meditated on that people
[01:04:45] do die in their sleep and no the court never synapse well not for those who live excuse me
[01:04:52] so mostly it's it's a good deal folks give it a try and so now describe if you
[01:04:58] would Preston how it actually is done when you get to that magic little place and you feel yourself slipping towards
[01:05:06] sleep and instead of sleeping you want to leave your body what's the key right well the way to
[01:05:14] slip to that magical place is you relax to the point where you start to feel one of several sensations well this could be
[01:05:21] numbness this could be lightness or even a feeling of heaviness you want to get
[01:05:27] to that place where you're not you don't even know where the your arms and legs are you're lying there in bed like hmm
[01:05:33] where are my arms and legs you want to get really relaxed I mean profoundly relaxed sometimes takes me
[01:05:40] you know 20 minutes and you if you start feeling this by vibration this is
[01:05:46] excellent news and yes it can get very loud in fact you can hear all kinds of
[01:05:52] noises even you're swearing and growling and furniture moving engine noises
[01:05:58] people's voices you you you're hearing all this in this middle period this is
[01:06:05] this can happen it doesn't happen to most people normally they just feel a vibration yeah you know hear noise you
[01:06:14] know and then you pop out and it's very
[01:06:19] disorienting because you have not done this before and it's difficult to see see that's why
[01:06:25] I think a lot of people pop out and then pop back in immediately because they
[01:06:31] have the you know what scared out of them that's what I did yeah I'm like alright this is gonna be fun I'm gonna do the exercises and I did the exercises
[01:06:37] I started to have like lucid dreams we day I pop down I'm like oh this is not
[01:06:43] good news I've just died what have I done a lot of people think that this is
[01:06:48] right and I looked at my bottom like well this is awful I'm like oh this is
[01:06:54] not good news I've just died what have I done a lot of people think that this is
[01:06:59] right and I looked at my bottom like well this is awful you know I feel really bad and I dive back into it and I
[01:07:05] woke up instantly and I thought oh my god you know I just did it and I was super excited without danger without
[01:07:13] apparent danger in that so you've done this so many times that you've had these
[01:07:20] occasional very occasional what would you say 1% negative um yeah that sounds
[01:07:26] about right maybe even a little less there's one time I did come up to this giant wall
[01:07:32] and I couldn't break through it and finally I was able to break through it hmm so that was a little disconcerting
[01:07:39] but I just broke through it yeah you're supposed to be able to go through anything sort of yeah this is a barrier
[01:07:45] between the dimensions Wow all right and you also say or you pose a question
[01:07:52] about the deceased you're suggesting that you can visit with those who have
[01:07:58] passed right that says so much I mean if you can do that then my goodness Preston
[01:08:05] you really are in the place where the light is in the place where you'll
[01:08:10] ultimately go otherwise how can you see those who have passed or I have to tell
[01:08:18] you the first time I find I went doing this because I wanted to see my mother you know the first time I actually went
[01:08:24] awake and did this in sorrow was the most amazing reunion I have ever had with anybody um you know now I've done
[01:08:31] this several times you know I known a number of people have died and they've all pretty much every time I'll go and visit them Wow but a
[01:08:38] boy with her so we met you met your mom oh man I was on my knees she was so
[01:08:45] young she looks so young I couldn't believe it you know I've lost most of my hair but it all came flowing back I have
[01:08:53] full hair back there my wrinkles disappear on the other side oh yeah it's great sounds good right away get your hair
[01:09:00] back it's amazing my mom looks amazing I'm my mom and you know them just the
[01:09:06] reunion was unbelievable so you recognized her his mom even though she was younger and oh yeah I
[01:09:12] Brent Wow in fact when you're out of body sometimes there's these things called projections you're making these
[01:09:19] things around you your thoughts and you're like this is even a real person okay a little bit careful there is a
[01:09:25] very good point do you think Preston it's possible that the living
[01:09:32] human mind is creating these do you
[01:09:40] think Preston it's possible that the living human mind is creating these what's
[01:09:51] right word for it Star Trek had a word for it I think materializations are
[01:09:59] these worlds I mean that you're I guess the question is is it possible it's just
[01:10:04] your own human mind in some sort of mode it's created the hologram um well to a
[01:10:14] certain extent yes because the universe is composed of our thoughts and that's
[01:10:19] what it comes down to I mean the world is actually a projection right you have thoughts of your mom right when she was
[01:10:25] young you read or not um oh yeah yeah
[01:10:30] absolutely um the proof that this isn't coming from a living mind though I think it's pretty
[01:10:37] extensive we have a lot of people visiting these locations on the other side and they're describing the same
[01:10:42] type of thing the people are getting information that they couldn't have gotten any other way you know about the
[01:10:49] deceased and things like this someone okay that's an interesting question whether it's in proof in other words how
[01:10:57] many times have somebody gone to the other side and come back with you know some piece of information that amounts
[01:11:05] to proof because it could not have been known in any other way yeah happened to me
[01:11:11] couldn't believe it I popped out and I'm on the other side walking around I'm like this is the bright place where I
[01:11:16] usually go and in order to meet people who've died it's very bright and there was this my friend Rex I'm like Rex you
[01:11:24] know what in God's name are you doing here he was alive you know I'm like what you know he's looking great
[01:11:29] normally in pretty bad health um hunched over has stomach problems yeah by no
[01:11:36] means you know super severe to the point of death or anything like this and you're saying he it was at that time
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